Presidential Election - Who would you vote for?

[James]

How is it not right? You said the world is a better place without Saddam, but it was wrong to invade Iraq. How do you figure that? If we didn't go into Iraq, Saddam would still be there, and that is wrong that he was there. So how can staring a war to take out a bad person be wrong, but when he is gone, make the world a better place?

Yes, the world is a better place without him. But no, I don't feel that a war initiated on illegal grounds is the way to do things. It undermines the international laws that are setup (however weak the UN is at enforcing them). It takes me back to my analogy...is killing a drug dealer right? We could have this argument all day...so I'll stay away from that one.

 

[James]

Ah, so you're going federal now...I've always thought the politics of the common wealth were interesting. What's so wrong with paying allegence to the Queen?

Well, I guess in America we settled that issue a while back...hell, we even let the French save our asses (that's back before recently our foreign policy said they are evil). But, damn, we love that France gave us the Statue of Liberty. We'll hold on to that for now.

What is this Aussie federalist movement when all the english speaking people pretty much stick together anyway (well, before Bush and Canada in Iraq saying hell no).

I think you're getting the words "republic" and "federal" mixed up. We have a federal parliament that makes decisions (such as going to war). The "republican" movement is not seperating ourselves from english speaking nations . It is to recognise that even though we're part of the commonwealth, we have pretty much been running ourselves for decades. So rather than being bound by England, why don't we act on our own accord.

Actually the republic debate has gotten quieter here in the past 6 months.

 

[Big Daddy]

The difference is that the UN had not given the drug dealer 17 legal notices to cease and desist. (simplified answer)

 

[tool fan]

Being in the Military, I don't particulary like B^sh, Like Reagan, B^sh is quick on the trigger, not to political in MY opinion. I will and do support the President due to the fact that is what I swore an oath to do, but sometimes the soldiers are kept out of the "BIG" picture. Its like,"HEY YOU SOLDIER, CHARGE THAT HILL, don't ask why, just DO it." This is not the Vietnam era, kids (soldiers) are alot smarter today. If I am going to sacrifice my life and take a father away from my kids and a husband from my wife, I want to know what it is for. Granted I am no longer in the military and I must say that finacially, the servicemembers are enjoying much better pay raises in the B^sh era vs. Clinton....But....is that the doing of Bush? Or is it from policy that Clinton made while he was in office that we are reaping the rewards now from? I never really got into politics....I THINK THEY STINK all of them. What if I DON'T like any of the candidates, I did not get to help pick them. If I don't vote then I am told that I have no voice...bullshit my voice says I don't like any of the freakin idiots that are running so that is one less vote for either one. All my love and admiration goes to those soldiers that are "charging that hill" blind...because they are patriotic to the idea of a great America, dedicated to the way of American life and the citizens of this great country and are willing to sacrifice life and limb in ITS defense. NOT for the figure head that stands SAFELY behind uparmored limos and SS (Secret Service) men. I say be a leader...LEAD from the front....put on a uniform pick up arms and charge that hill with the soldiers you command.

Sorry for ranting. Y'all are some great individuals and I thoroughly enjoy reading ALL of your posts.

Peace

 

[James]

The difference is that the UN had not given the drug dealer 17 legal notices to cease and desist. (simplified answer)

But they searched the drug dealers house for months, couldn't find any drugs, then still shot him...(simplified retort ).

 

[Big Daddy]

But they searched the drug dealers house for months, couldn't find any drugs, then still shot him...(simplified retort ).

That logic escapes me! No one denies that he shunned the UN's warnings, all of them. It was not just WMD's, it was his failure to comply with all the UN demands. Terrible compairson on your part. No one forces you to go to the drug dealer, therefore you really have no complaint, but when your minding your own business and your family is tortured or killed that is a different story. Get out of the shallow end......

 

[aNoodle]

did you know that while clinton was in office, he launched several cruise missiles to the mideast, most of which were during all of that monica lewinski bullsh!t (and most of which didn't even hit what was intended, it mearly pissed people off. and was only a distraction so the monica thing didn't look so bad on his part). one of those hit a toy factory or something like that (hmmm... i never knew that clinton hated toys that much!?!?). i think that our presidents should be involved in our country (thats why their the president). not dealing with all of their personal matters. If clinton wanted to go and f**k a fat chick, he should have saved that untill after his term was over.

Who wants our next president to have all of these distractions. I'm not saying that every democrat is going to cheat on his wife, but all have the same incentive. If jon kerry is elected and he comes through with all the benifits he promises, and pulls the troops out of iraq, what will happen? were going to be sitting back and talking about how great our roads our, and how good our SS benefits are, and then... here comes a group of terrorists suicide bombers blowing themselves up on our front porch (and not to mention our higher taxes).

Bush must do what is needed to ensure our safety and freedom. i don't think anyone wants another 9-11

Wow. This post is absolutely hysterical...toy factory?!?!?. It's bizarre this week with the bipartisan 9/11 commission giving thier report this week. Where did all this hostile bs and vitriol come from back then at the time? Or was it all just intended to be spreaded misinformation (toy factory?) so people don't quite know what the **** is going on? I was just looking back at stuff that people at the time spewed not knowing what they were talking about. I'm writing a paper about spin from both parties. It's like facts don't matter any more...just thow out shit and see what sticks. It's a shame what's happening with our national politics.

 

[dzervit]

Wow... we had a similar thread on the F150 board... I'm just gonna say my piece and leave - Kerry & his magical policies to save everything scare the hell out of me. He's just like every other shmuck. Bush is holding his own, and the country actually is doing well. The .com bubble had to burst sometime and sent things spiraling downwards... Bush got the worst of it, and now things are on the upswing. The war is fine, and I hope we steam-roll some other clowns as well. Give it more time & our newly invigorated intelligence folks will find the other bastards.

 

[BMWdude]

As a person who was born and pretty much raised in Europe, I am not clouded by blind American patriotism (no offence) and would say that America would be better WITHOUT Bush. He wasn't even suppose to win the election, but he has many friends in high places and what do you know, he wins. But I do have some respect for him, he did after all make a success out of his life, legaly or not. [fake]

 

[epj3]

Wow... we had a similar thread on the F150 board... I'm just gonna say my piece and leave - Kerry & his magical policies to save everything scare the hell out of me. He's just like every other shmuck. Bush is holding his own, and the country actually is doing well. The .com bubble had to burst sometime and sent things spiraling downwards... Bush got the worst of it, and now things are on the upswing. The war is fine, and I hope we steam-roll some other clowns as well. Give it more time & our newly invigorated intelligence folks will find the other bastards.

Hm, you should try watching the interviews ABC and NBC (or their affiliates, like msnbc, etc.) have had recently... Kerry went pretty deep into his plans. It wasn't just like a "i'm going to do this and it'll all be better."

Not like it can get any WORSE if kerry is elected.

 

[Bryan330i]

This is interesting to read




Americas Debate, Con & Lib

 

[Abdoman]

I thought this thread died. Conservatives rule!!

 

[BMW-FW26]

Sad one of the ugliest canadates hails from Boston.

 

[gpoints]

Anything specific you would like to share about Kerry? Any accomplishments that Bush has made that you would like to tell us about as am informed and educated voter that may persuade people?

I'll give ya an example:


"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
- John F. Kerry

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- John F. Kerry

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any
Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
- John F. Kerry

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good
judgments in the future."
- John F. Kerry

"The future will be better tomorrow."
- John F. Kerry

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the
world."
- John F. Kerry

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
- John F. Kerry

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We
have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
- John F. Kerry

"Public speaking is very easy."
- John F. Kerry

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to
the polls."
- John F. Kerry

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not
occur."
- John F. Kerry

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
- John F. Kerry

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach
our children."
- John F. Kerry

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the
impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
- John F. Kerry

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- John F. Kerry

 

[Bryan330i]

I'll give ya an example:


"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
- John F. Kerry

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- John F. Kerry

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any
Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
- John F. Kerry

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good
judgments in the future."
- John F. Kerry

"The future will be better tomorrow."
- John F. Kerry

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the
world."
- John F. Kerry

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
- John F. Kerry

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We
have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
- John F. Kerry

"Public speaking is very easy."
- John F. Kerry

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to
the polls."
- John F. Kerry

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not
occur."
- John F. Kerry

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
- John F. Kerry

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach
our children."
- John F. Kerry

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the
impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
- John F. Kerry

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- John F. Kerry

Sorry, I only debate politics with those of demonstrated knowledge. You response falls significantly short of my requirement.

Should you elect to intelligently discuss politics I would be willing to do so at “americasdebate.com.” But I caution you to do your homework or you won’t survive.

Thanks.


Americas Debate

 

[gpoints]

Sorry, I only debate politics with those of demonstrated knowledge. You response falls significantly short of my requirement.

Should you elect to intelligently discuss politics I would be willing to do so at “americasdebate.com.” But I caution you to do your homework or you won’t survive.

Thanks.


Americas Debate

You do realize it is a joke...Right??? The exact same can be done of anyone (Bush) if you take what someone says or writes out of context or take them literally even when you know what that person is really trying to say. Let's use you for example:
You just said you "only debate politics with those of demonstrated knowledge" and my response "falls significantly short of your requirement." But then you go on to say that you'd discuss politics with me @ americasdebat.com.

Its fitting you support Flipper . Your comments dirrected at me remind me of:
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the
world." - John F. Kerry

You two make a nice couple.

 

[gpoints]

Good news. I'm now registered @ americasdebat.com as gpoints.

Oh, and thanks for warning me of my survival @ americasdebate. I'd sure hate it if I didn't survive that place.

 

[MrElussive]

I'm voting for Busch, I am a republican because I don't really care about what I have to say (if I have anything to say at all).

 

[Bryan330i]

I apologize for misunderstanding your “joke” gpoints.

 

[epj3]

I'm voting for Busch, I am a republican because I don't really care about what I have to say (if I have anything to say at all).

It's spelled "Bush." You can't vote, can you? I thought you had to be a citizen [kick] [fake]

(just kidding with ya bud)